From s9406058@student.anu.edu.au Thu Oct 31 23:25:36 1996 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:28:31 +1000 From: Shawn Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com To: mystara-l@io.com Subject: [Mystara] When immortals achieved immortality This posting is an update to my previous Activity Levels of Immortals posting. If though about it and figured that the Activity level thing didn't really mean that much, I mean immortals can potentially go around all the time using PP. So instead here is a list still containing the year the immortal achieved immortality but also giving my reasoning for this choice of year. All the data has been rechecked as there has proven to be some errors in it. For example I got the date in which Alphaks achieved immortality totally wrong which means that there is an error in my Gombar and Suma'a timeline. This timeline will be updated shortly, though. As far as this posting is concerned there is a key at the bottom of the file to help make sense of it. If there are any noticeable errors or people can furthur constrain dates more that what I have, this would be greatly appreciated. You can send such things to me at s9406058@student.anu.edu.au Immortal Name Level YIA Source Ahmanni Turtlerider *C 800 BC GAZ14, 14 Atruaghin sought his patrons help to bring Ahmanni back from the dead in 800 BC after the revolt against the Red Orcs. Ahmanni then eventually achieved immortality although there is no suggestion how long this process took. Al-Kalim 3 1000 AC WotI, 13-4 Al-Kalim only recently earned his immortality therefore 1000 AC is a total guess. Alphaks 20 1100 BC WotI, 14 Alphaks was an Alphatian ruler before it was destroyed and sometime before it was destroyed set on the path to immortality. Two hundred years before he refound them on Mystara he had attained immortality. 1100 BC is a guess assuming that ALphaks turned up on Mystara around 900 BC, although it could really be any date. Alphatia 16 800 BC WotI, 14-5 Alphatians arrived at 1000 BC and soon afterwards Aasla undertook the path to immortality which took 200 years to complete. Therefore 800 BC is a maximum possible date for YIA, although it is less than this. Arik 18 ?? .html There is no indication in the file as to when Arik attained immortality. Asterius 27 3500 BC HW, 98 Asterius is a member of the Blackmoor civilisation who attained immortality sometime before its' destruction and possibly sometime earlier. 3500 BC is taken as both the midpoint of the Blackmoorian civilisation and also the time at which the Blackmoor civilisation was flourishing. Atruaghin 32 795 BC GAZ14, 7 Atruaghin achieved immortality in 795 BC. Atzanteotl 31 1500 BC HW, 13 Atziann achieves immortality in 1500 BC and takes the name Atzanteotl. Bagni Gullymaw *C 1299 BC .html The file timeline.htm attributes that in 1299 BC that Bagni ate an elephant, he undoubtedy achieved immortality some time after this. Bartziluth *C ?? WotI, 39 There is no indication in WotI about Bartziluth. Bemarris *I ?? WotI, 39 Bemmaris was an Alphatian in Norwold. There is no indication as to when Alphatians first came to Norwold so anytime since about 1000 BC is possible, though a more recent age is likely. Benekander 1 4000 BC WotIf, 6-7 Rheddrian sacrificed himself a thousand years before the Blackmoor catastophe in 3000 BC by averting what would have been a bigger catastrophe. Brissard *T ?? WotI, 39 There is no indication in WotI about Brissard. Calitha Starbrow 18 5000 BC WotI, 18 Calitha was one of the first generation evergrun elves, therefore a time before 5000 BC is likely. Chardastes *C 1200 BC WotI, 39 Chardastes was a Traladaran which could indicate an age between 1400 BC when the Traldar culture rose to 1000 BC when they were nearly decimated. Chiron *I 1000 AC WotI, 39 Chiron only recently earned his immortality therefore 1000 AC is a total guess. Clebard, Saimpt *I ?? RS, 107 There is no indication in RS about Saimpt Clebard. Crakkak *T ?? WotI, 39 There is no indication in WotI about Crakkak. Cretia 13 3000 BC .html Cretia was a mortal during the time of the Blackmoor destruction, therefore 3000 BC is a minimum age. Danel Tigerstripes *C 792 BC GAZ14, 8 Danel was first turned against Atruaghin on 792 BC. This process eventually lead to his achieving immortality although there is no suggestion when this was. Demogorgon *E ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Demogorgon. Diamond 16 700 AC WotI, 18 Diamond had a mortal existance a few hundred years ago. Therefore 700 AC is a maximum possible date for YIA, although it is less than this. Diulanna 18 ?? WotI, 18 Diulanna was a Neather from the area which became the Hinterlands, there is no other indication apart from this. Djaea 34 3000 BC WotI, 19 Djaea was on the path to immortality when Blackmoor exploded in 3000 BC. Eiryndul 20 1300 BC WotI, 19 Eiryndul was an elf in the Sylvan Realm which existed after 2100 BC. By 800 BC Eiryndul has achieved immortality, the text seems to indicate a date closer to 800 BC rather than 2100 BC, therefore 1300 BC is an arbitrary date. Faunus 11 ? WotI, 20 Faunus cannot remember his early existance. Forsetta 7 614 AC .html Ottar the Just started his quest for immortality in 614 AC after he started the Kingdom of Vestland, there is no indication how long that took. Frey/Freyja 13 2400 BC WotI, 21 Frey and Freyja were Anatalians, 2400 BC was a time when the Anatalian culture was flourishing. Although 2000-1750 BC is given as the year range when the Anatalians migrated to the area now known as the Northern Reaches it depends how you take then sentence which says "... were brother and sister, members of the Anatalians, ancient tribes which eventually became the men of the Northern Reaches ..." Garal Glitterlode *T 3300 BC HW, 102 Garal created the gnomes around 2900 BC, it just depends how long it took him to get a high enough level to expend the PP to create gnomes. Therefore 3300 BC is an arbitrary date. Gorm *E ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Gorm. Gorrziok *E ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Gorrziok. Great One, The 26 ?? WotI, 21 There is no indication in WotI about The Great One. Halav 17 900 BC HW, 103 Halav was immortal in 1000 BC when the gnolls attacked the Traldar lands. He then helped to fight back against the gnolls and then went off to attain immortality, there is no suggestion how long this took - 900 BC is probably the earlier limit. Harrow *T ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Harrow. Hattani Stoneclaw *C 792 BC GAZ14, 8 Hattani achieved immortality in 792 BC. Hel 36 ? WotI, 22 Hel is so old she does not remember her mortal existence. Iliric *T ?? RS, 108 There is no indication in RS about Iliric. Ilsundal 33 1800 BC HW, 12 Ilsundal created the first Tree of Life in 1800 BC an became an immortal. Ixion 36 ? WotI, 23 Ixion is so old he does not remember his mortal existance. Jammudaru *I ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Jammudaru. Ka the Preserver 35 ? WotI, 23 Ka is so old he does not remember his mortal existance. Kagyar 28 5500 BC WotI, 24 Kagyar was a member of the Brute-Men who began to fall in upon themselves in 5300 BC. 5500 BC taken as an arbitrary date before this in the assumption the Kagyar was not a Brute-Man at that time. Kallala *C ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Kallala. Karaash 5 ?? WotI, 24 The only indication on Karaash is that he had to be an immortal in 492 BC when he transported some orcs to the Hollow World. Khoronus 36 4000 BC WotI, 25 Khoronous was one one of the early founders of Blackmoor, 4000 BC is the year given for when Blackmoor civilisation begins it's meteoric rise. Korotiku 32 ? WotI, 26 Korotiku is so old he oes not rememebr his mortal existance Koryis 10 1027 BC WotI, 26 Koryis started on his quest for immortality long before Alphatia was destroyed, Koryis returned home when he achieved immortality which was at a time after Alphatia was destroyed. 1027 BC is the year when the war broke out, Koryis could have achieved immortality anytime before this. Kythria *I ?? WotI, 40 Kythria's sponsor was Eiryndul who achieved immortality himself around 1300 BC therefore some time after this is the only possibility. Leptar *C ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Leptar. Liena *I 1000 AC WotI, 40 Liena only recently earned his immortality therefore 1000 AC is a total guess. Lokena *I ?? WotI, 40 Lokena existed in Glantri which indicates a range from 829 AC when Lord Glantri founded the Republic of Glantri, to present. Loki 30 1900 BC WotI, 27 Loki was a member of the outer-world Antalian tribes which eventually became the Northern Reaches. The Antalians migrated to the Northern Reaches area in the period 2000 BC to 1750 BC and existed there until 1722 BC when they were moved to the Hollow World. Therefore 1900 BC is arbitrarily chosen . Loup, Saimpt *T ?? RS, 108 There is no indication in RS about Saimpt Loup. Maat *E ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Maat. Madarua *E 400 BC WotI, 40 Madarua was a member of the Nithian Empire and attained immortality some time after its' destruction in 500 BC, 400 BC is arbitrarily chosen. Mahmatti Running Elk *C 452 BC GAZ14 ,8 Mahmatti achieved immortality in 452 BC. Malafor *C ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Malafor. Malinois, Saimpt *C ?? RS, 108 There is no indication in RS about Saimpt Malinois. Marwdyn *T ?? WotI, 40 There is no indication in WotI about Marwdyn Masauwu 28 ?? WotI, 27 Masauwu lived in Minrothad. The Minrothad Guilds were created in 691 AC, so any time after this is likely. Matin, Saimpt *T ?? RS, 109 There is no indication in RS about Saimpt Matin. Mealiden Starwatcher 23 250 BC WotI, 28 Mealiden achieved immortality in 250 BC. Minroth *C 1100 BC WotI, 40 Minroth lead some Nithians to what is now the Minrothad Guilds in 1100 BC. It is assumed he attained immortality some time after this. Mrikitat *E 491 AC PC4, 5 Mrikitat achieved immortality in 491 AC. Noumena 34 500 BC WotI, 28 Noumena was questing for immortality whilst the Nithian culture was being corrupted. 500 BC is the time when the outer world Nithian culture ended, which may be taken as a rough time for when Noumena attained immortality. Nyx 33 ? WotI, 29 Nyx is so old she does not remember his mortal existence. Odin 36 ? WotI, 29 Odin is so old he does not remember his mortal existence. Opal 13 ?? WotI, 30 There is no indication in WotI about Opal. Orcus 25 1000 BC WotI, 31 Orcus was a mortal in Traldar which was devestated in 1000 BC, there is no indication as to when he attained immortality. Ordana 31 ? WotI, 31 Ordana existed a long time ago and indead created the elven race, she attained immortality a very long time ago. Palartarkan *T 950 BC HW, 111 Ar was on his quest for immortality when the Alphatians came to Mystara in 1000 BC. 950 BC is probably the early limit for his attaining immortality. Palson *I ?? WotI, 40 Palson was sponsered to immortality by Noumena therefore an age sometime after 500 BC, when Noumena roughly attained immortality, is likely. Patura *I ?? WotI, 40 Patura was a Thyatian ruler. Thyatis was formed around 500 BC therefore an age between then an recent is possible. Pearl 10 ?? WotI, 32 There is no indication in WotI about Pearl. Petra 17 1000 BC HW, 111 Petra was immortal in 1000 BC when the gnolls attacked the Traldar lands. He then helped to fight back against the gnolls and then went off to attain immortality, there is no suggestion how long this took - 900 BC is probably the earlier limit. Pflarr 25 1650 BC HW, 12 Pflarr is said to have achieved immortality during the period 1750 BC to 1500 BC although no more direct indication is given. Although Pflarr had to be of a high enough level to afford to create the Hutaakans in 1500 BC, therefore closer to 1750 BC seems a more likely answer. Polunius *E ?? WotI, 41 There is no indication in WotI about Polunius. Protius 29 ? WotI, 32 Protius is a very old immortal who is of a race that predates humans. Rad 22 845 AC WotIf, 8 In 845 AC Etienne found the Radience and used it to achieve immortality, there is no indication of the time that this took. Rafiel 21 3000 BC HW, 114 Rafiel was a member of the Blackmoor civilisation during the time when the device exploded in 3000 BC. Although it is not known how he became an immortal it may be assumed that the explosion had something to do with it. Ralon, Saimpt *I ?? RS, 109 There is no indication in RS about Saimpt Ralon. Ranivorus *C 900 BC HW, 114 HW states that Ranivorus was not yet an immortal at 1000 BC during the gnoll attacks on the Traldar with the assumption being that he was perhaps attempting immortality at this time, therefore 900 BC is an early limit. Rathanos 28 3000 BC HW, 114 Rathanos was a member of the Oltecs and assuming this means the older-world Oltecs then 3000 BC is taken as the year when the Oltec civilisation declined. Anytime from 4000 BC about when the Oltecs as a civilisation started and 3000 BC seems possible. Razud 31 1500 BC WotI, 36 razud attained immortality a long time before the destruction of Alphatia in 1000 BC. 1500 BC is an arbitrary date. Ruaidhri Hawkbane *I 593 AC PC4, 5 Ruaidhri slew the last werehawk in 593 AC which undoubtedly was one of the final steps to his achieving immortality. Saasskas *C ?? WotI, 41 There is no indication in WotI about Saasskas. Sharpcrest *C ?? WotI, 41 There is no indication in WotI about Sharpcrest. Shining One, The *T ?? WotI, 41 There is not indication in WotI about Kurtulmak. Sinbad *C ?? WotI, 41 There is no direct indication in WotI about Sinbad although it suggests that he may be an Old One or one of their agents. Slizzark the Lurker *C ?? WotI, 41 There is no indication in WotI about Slizzark. Ssu-Ma *E ?? WotI, 41 There is no indication in WotI about Ssu-Ma. Tahkati Stormtamer *C 1675 BC GAZ14, 6 Tahkati united the tribes into the Children of the Horse in 1675 BC which lead to his attaining immortality, presumably before 1650 BC. Talitha 25 ?? WotI, 36 Talitha existed in Alphatia though the description does not indicate the planet or the country. Owing to her high level one may well assume that it is from the planet Alphatia. Tarastia 30 1800 BC HW, 116 Tarastia was a member of the outer-world Jennite civilisation started in 1900 BC and were later moved to the Hollow World by Tarastia in 1600 BC. Therefore 1800 BC was a year arbitrarily chosen as being closer to 1900 BC to allow Tarastia to be powerful enough to move her culture to the Hollow World. Taroyas *I ?? WotI, 41 Taroyas was a member of the Known World Milenians, which indicates a time from 1000 BC when gnolls invaded Traldaran lands instigating the migration which lead to the formation of the Milenian civilisation to 50 BC when the Milenian culture of the Known World collapsed utterly under attacks from surrounding tribes. Any date in here may be chosen. Terra 36 ? WotI, 37 Terra achieved immortality some time ago. Thanatos 35 ? WotI, 37 Thanatos is so old he does not remember his mortal existence. Thor 28 1900 BC HW, 116 Thor was a member of the outer-world Antalian tribes which eventually became the Northern Reaches. The Antalians migrated to the Northern Reaches area in the period 2000 BC to 1750 BC and existed there until 1722 BC when Thor helped move them to the Hollow World. Therefore 1900 BC is arbitrarily chosen as a date closer to 2000 BC to allow Thor to be powerful enough to assist in movingthe Antalians to the Hollow World. Tiresias *I ?? WotI, 41 No indication about Tiresias is given in WotI. Turmis *I ?? WotI, 41 Turmis is indicated to be Thyatian which indicates a range from 600 BC the first time the Thyatian tribe is mentioned to present, any year in this range is possible. Twelve Watchers, The *I ?? WotI, 41 Doregar was Darokinnian mage which should indicate a range from 927 AC when the Great Merger occurred and the Republic of Darokin was born. Tyche *E ?? WotI, 41 No indication about Tyches is given in WotI though it does say that she is an ancient immortal. Usamigaras *E ?? WotI, 41 There is no indication in WotI about Usamigaras. Valerias 31 ? WotI, 38 Valerias does not remember her mortal existence. Vanya 23 600 BC HW, 118 Vanya was a member of the Kerendan tribe whilst they were being attacked by Milenians, which occurred around 600 BC. Verthandi *H ?? WotI, 41 Verthandi is a very old immortal being a Heirarch and has dissappeared. He is probably so old that he has forgotten his mortal existence. Wayland *E ?? WotI, 41 Wayland is attributed to being the cheif architect of Pandius though I can find no indication as to when it was made. Wogar *I 1263 BC GAZ10, 4 Wogar becomes an Immortal in 1263. Yagrai *T 1688 BC GAZ10, 4 Akkila-Khan retires from the world in 1688 BC and becomes the immortal Yagrai. Yav *C 758 AC CoM, 38 Yav attained immortality in 758 AC. Zirchev 17 1000 BC HW, 119 Zirchev was immortal in 1000 BC when the gnolls attacked the Traldar lands. He then helped to fight back against the gnolls and then went off to attain immortality, there is no suggestion how long this took - 900 BC is probably the earlier limit. ?? - Unknown YIA ? - Immortal so old, they have forgotten their mortal existence or immortal very old, that is older than 5000 BC. *I - Level unknown, Initiate *T - Level unknown, Temporal *C - Level unknown, Celestial *E - Level unknown, Empyreal YIA Year Immortality Achieved (year as per Thyatian Calendar) Source WotI - Wrath of the Immortals, Codex of the Immortals HW - Hollow World Boxed Set, Dungeon Master's Sourcebook GAZxx - Gazetter of the number indicated WotIf - Wrath of the Immortals, The Immortals' Fury PCx - Creature Crucible of the number indicated CoM - Champions of Mystara, Explorer's Manual .html - A file found elsewhere on this site RS - Red Steel, Campaign Book Shawn Stanley I am a QHQGMEEEBBGAU Mystaran http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/index.html