Ä [20] Survnet: SURVIVAL_ORIENTED TOPICS (9:2500/0) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ SURVIVAL_ORIENTED Ä Msg : 87 of 90 Loc From : Larry Gowdy 9:2500/0 Tue 06 Sep 94 23:02 To : Marc Visconte Subj : Re: Sepsis And Land ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ DP> the one acre you can have a small, well fortified, easily concealed DP> fall back location, just in case you need it. MV> anybody up for concealment and fortification discussion? Yes, I'd like to hear other's views on that. I'm torn between being trapped in a fortress where I can't get out, and concealment, where I have freedom of movement but little protection if spotted. I'm playing around with some ideas of combining the two, but it appears to be one of those things where you can't have the best of both worlds. MV> My first choice for a waste hadnling system would be a composting MV> toilet. My second would be an incinerating toilet. Both very small MV> (compared to septic systems) and no chance of sepsis or e. coli MV> poisoning (well, no more than we have in our houses, today). The composting toilet like an outhouse? I've seen those built on the side of a hill, and they're reported as working well. I'm a little spoilt on indoor plumbing though . Does an incinerating toilet work in a similar design? We currently have an unlimited supply of fresh water (a little salty), so at present we aren't concerned with getting some to the house (getting it back out is). Any ideas on a system that can built indoors and still maintain a good degree of sanitation? We recycle most all the water from the tub, sinks, and kitchen, and only run the toilet into the main septic. Keeps the water quantity down. MV> discusses just about everything from a "small home farm" standpoint, MV> including raising your own livestock, poultry, and rabbits... both for MV> food and for income. It's interesting although a bit dated (1940's). MV> The info is still good, but the prices are off. Those old books are interesting and full of ideas. I have one or two books like that written 40 or 50 years ago, and they're probably the most practical one's I've seen. MV> LG" Have you heard much on the genetically engineered tree they MV> came " up with a year or so ago? Its supposed to be similar to a MV> birch I " believe, it'll grow around 10' or more a year, can be MV> Larry, any word on that? I am losing a mimosa in the yard and want to MV> put something FAST in its place. I found the paper on it last night. This was reported 12-31-93. The tree is known as 'Hybrid Australis', produces a quality hardwood, fifty feet tall, ten inch diameter tree in 6 years (a little under 10 feet a year). They can be grown very close to each other, and an estimated 7.6 million trees can be cultivated on 600 acres. Its resin free and needs no pesticide or herbicides since it has been engineered to resist pests and competing plants. They'll grow just about anywhere (even acid rain). Tests on the leaves and bark have indicated the nutritional value equals that of alfalfa. Since it doesn't produce seeds, it won't migrate, and can only be reproduced through cloning. The source of the tree is quoted as the Natural Resources Holding Corporation (no address given). That's all the info I have on it. You could probably find their address at the library. If I ever get a few moments of free time I'll see if I can find out more info. DP> Rabbit and sheep are MV> And easily bred and raised! The way things have been shaping up, it looks like I may wait until the situation requires it before I raise animals. As long as things stay fairly normal, we can buy eggs and meat cheaper (and easier) than growing them. If things go bad, I can trap cotton tails for breeding. These of course wouldn't be as good as those plump domestic kinds, but they'd do the job. We also have prarie chickens running around out here, so we could trap a few of them also along with turkeys and pheasant. I've spent most of my life caring for others, and I'd like a few years off just to myself (well, the wife can come along if she has to. ) MV> productoin should investigate. The space required by my rabbits is MV> only 3 x 10 feet--and rabbits can be started any time of year." Heck, that ain't bad. Even I could handle that. MV> sugar, fish, woodlots, etc. GOD! You'd think that all this fellow MV> did was EAT! But a lot of it is being sold to market to support his Back in the mid 50s when I was a little kid, I remember visiting my grandparents in Oklahoma. Highlights included an outhouse, fried okra, chickens, and snakes on their small farm. My grandpa grew food all day and grandma cooked it all day. Aside from raising a family, they didn't have must else to do, but one thing I do remember, everyone was pretty happy. MV> homestead. In today's case, I guess that we'd work a smaller place or MV> trade the excess for goods. He also covers "country jobs" or "how to MV> raise money in the country" and "Let's Rebuild America" and "why we MV> moved to the country". All in all, a great book for both nostalgia MV> and practical know-how. Copyrights include 1973 by Storey Did they give any good income ideas that would work well today? I'm wanting to get out of my current business and start something else. We don't need much money, and mainly just want to do something that doesn't require a telephone or people coming onto the land. I've been entertaining an idea of possibly starting some sort of survival class for the area, and use some land about a quarter mile down the road from us to have it on. Do you think something like that would be a decent part time business? ... .............. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- * Origin: -->point MUDGE bbs * V32b * Shelton, WA USA<-- (9:2500/0) Ä [20] Survnet: SURVIVAL_ORIENTED TOPICS (9:2500/0) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ SURVIVAL_ORIENTED Ä Msg : 89 of 90 Rcv Loc From : Larry Gowdy 9:2500/0 Mon 05 Sep 94 21:04 To : John Mudge Subj : Re: Surv Scenario ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ JM> I keep hoping to see Kirk open up the SURV_SCENARIO echo as one JM> scenario might be to suddenly up and move to a new area...with little This may not be up for discussion yet, but before I forget to post it when the time comes, a person can have an almost immediate income in a new location by placing an ad in the local ad-newspaper to do whatever skill he's good at. Painting, carpentry, appliance repair, auto repair, etc. He'd probably have to cut his normal rates in half to get business, but it would be an income. An ad worded such as: "Why pay more? Experinced *******, 25% off all labor and parts. All work guaranteed. Joe Bob 999-9999". I started my business this way with a $2.00 ad. ... Buy American! Remington, Winchester, Colt, Springfield, S&W,,,, ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- * Origin: -->point MUDGE bbs * V32b * Shelton, WA USA<-- (9:2500/0) Ä [20] Survnet: SURVIVAL_ORIENTED TOPICS (9:2500/0) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ SURVIVAL_ORIENTED Ä Msg : 91 of 92 - 89 Uns Loc From : John Mudge 9:2500/0 Thu 08 Sep 94 12:38 To : Larry Gowdy Subj : Surv Scenario ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Hello Larry! Monday September 05 1994, Larry Gowdy writes to John Mudge: JM>> I keep hoping to see Kirk open up the SURV_SCENARIO echo as one JM>> scenario might be to suddenly up and move to a new area...with little LG> This may not be up for discussion yet, but before I forget to LG> post it when the time comes, Heck...let's discuss it anyway! Several folks save info from these echos so we can go back and distill it later. LG> a person can have an almost immediate LG> income in a new location by placing an ad in the local ad-newspaper to LG> do whatever skill he's good at. Painting, carpentry, appliance repair, LG> auto repair, etc. He'd probably have to cut his normal rates in half to LG> get business, but it would be an income. LG> An ad worded such as: "Why pay more? Experinced *******, 25% off LG> all labor and parts. All work guaranteed. Joe Bob 999-9999". I started LG> my business this way with a $2.00 ad. This is a good method! I sort of like both adding to the local skill pool and whenever possible bringing new money into the area. The latter can be done through making the area attractive to outsiders...perhaps offering an unknown service like hunting/fishing guide to the local area...running some form of unique school...Port Townsend, WA has a "wooden boat school" and Santa Fe, NM has a blacksmithing school, for example. Mail-order also brings in money without people attached.. John Mudge --- * Origin: -->point MUDGE bbs * V.32b * Shelton, WA USA<-- (9:2500/0)