From lmb@comtch.iea.comSun May 19 12:53:10 1996 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:56:50 -0700 From: Fox Cutter Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Story Comments, and other things. Ok, another round of the Fox's Mulit-Reply (not TM yet, as Dino's on the HTM is, but oh well...) On the storys... Reality Slips: Drool!!! As A furry I love it, and thanks to Packrat pointing out the group is there, I'm going to take a look, mostly just for the hypnoses. :) The New Television Set: Now that's an interesting idea... Imaging setting it to 1 day and going into a movie or something, like say 'Die Hard 3' and McClane, or Simon, and see if YOU can win this time!! Uncle Bob's Book: Now this is a good one, who would WANT to be a human boy?? Now, on to the subject of a female predending to be male... As it has been said, it has been done before, and it does take a lot of experence to pull it off. But the form also matters. It's easy for a TGed guy to play a fem if he's a normal run of the mill women. Not to thin, not to thick, not to big breasts, and such. This won't help though if the face is to feminen, or that could be a story of it's own, give some match pig the face a Cindy Crawferd or something... Hum... Well anyone, why not run with it? --Fox Cutter http://www.iea.com/~lmb/ ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From packrat@cybercomm.netSun May 19 12:53:15 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Packrat Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re: First Story Attempt.. Nifty story! Something very familiar to me, since I'm one of the folks at The Inner Walk! ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From root@squeep.comSun May 19 12:53:21 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: fEk Reply to: fek To: Daniel Boese Subject: Re: First Story Attempt.. On Wed, 15 May 1996, Daniel Boese wrote: > average transformation story, but I think it works.. ;) Comments, > flames, and editing all welcome. > > Reality Slips > by Daniel Boese *giggle* Hey, this seems oddly familiar.. *grin* -- /\/\ fek@squeep.com \oo/ Ratine Amalgamated Technologies >\/< -freelance--anthropomorphics- yiff From A5873644665@attpls.netSun May 19 12:53:27 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:29:32 +0000 From: Mark Phaedrus Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re: Reality Slips from it! If I had to pick one thing I would change, it would be the ending; it seemed sort of discongruous with the rest of the story. The idea that self-hypnosis could cause physical changes in one's body (the tail, the ears) seemed very plausible, and the "yes, this is real" thing had me expecting that that was the way the story was going to go. So the idea in the ending that it could change the whole world didn't ring true the same way. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with hypnosis to understand how this could be consistent. I still loved the story, though! --Mark Phaedrus (phaedrus@halcyon.com) ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From Posti@aol.comSun May 19 12:53:31 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:25:49 -0400 From: Posti@aol.com Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re: First Story Attempt.. "You are getting sleepy. Very sleepy....." ::grin:: Neat idea, and the writing was well done. Great job! One question - How are the other people being affected? Or if they are not being affected, how come they don't notice HIS fox ears? Or is all of this a mental transformation, and nothing is really happening to him at all? Bob ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From dboese@freenet.npiec.on.caSun May 19 12:53:36 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:36:26 -0400 (EST) From: Daniel Boese Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re: First Story Attempt.. > Neat idea, and the writing was well done. Great job! One question - How are > the other people being affected? Or if they are not being affected, how come > they don't notice HIS fox ears? Or is all of this a mental transformation, > and nothing is really happening to him at all? > OK. So it's all in his head, right? Well, if something feels real, > it's as good as being real, I guess. At least to the person. I'd intended it to be a purely mental, subjective transformation.. although you've given me a few ideas for a third story.. already working on #2. (I hate to say it, but it's a horse-transform story. Well, mostly, anyway. :) ) -- Daniel Boese dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From orelious@ICSI.NetSun May 19 12:53:43 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:27:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Orelious Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: "tsa-talk@t0.or.at" Subject: Re: Reality Slips On Thu, 16 May 1996, Mark Phaedrus wrote: > X-Working!-Archive_Url: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk > A really interesting story concept, and a really interesting story > > from it! If I had to pick one thing I would change, it would be the > ending; it seemed sort of discongruous with the rest of the story. The > idea that self-hypnosis could cause physical changes in one's body (the > tail, the ears) seemed very plausible, and the "yes, this is real" > thing had me expecting that that was the way the story was going to go. > So the idea in the ending that it could change the whole world didn't > ring true the same way. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with > hypnosis to understand how this could be consistent. I still loved the > story, though! > --Mark Phaedrus (phaedrus@halcyon.com) Okay...I haven't read it yet...for me, there's a bit of lag...but if it's hypnosis, I'm sure you'll be hearing from me. :) (Btw, talking about hypnosis...the song in my .sig came up (while I was hypnotised) as a song specifically talking about hypnosis...I don't know if they knew it when they wrote it...but look at my quote, and you'll see what I mean. I know Packrat mentioned the Inner Walk. But I don't believe most of the list knows about it, and so I will tell you a little bit about our group. 1. We do hypnosis over the Internet. No jokes, no bad humor here. This is real - and Packrat and I both can attest to it. Now, before I continue, let me comment on what I see above... Hypnosis can be used to make someone believe they've been transformed. To them, they can touch their fur/snout/whatever, feel it, smell it...but it takes a lot of work, and deep concentration. Of our group of about 10-15, only 2 right now can have transformation done to them. And they...enjoy it, certainly. About the world thing...I haven't seen the passage exactly, but I can tell you my experience: I have a friend whose entire world was pretty much changed...I gave him a suggestion that everyone he saw were "furries" - anthropomorphic animals, if you don't know...and what he told me was rather astounding...the same friend I've "changed" into...lessee, a furry fox, a basilisk, and a chimera, as well as a human female...and a human hermaphrodite...and then I've done parts, too...a snout sometimes, a tail...I don't do it much, but sometimes he enjoys it...especially when there's an aroused furry fox sitting next to him, nude... Okay, that's my 2c about that...now down to the Inner Walk (TIW). TIW was created by a group of friends who were interested in transformation through hypnosis...and, we've done some work in our lives. But that wasn't the interesting discovery. What occurred is that we discovered that it could be achieved over the Internet...not necessarily as well as face-to-face, but still...definitely possible. Packrat and I talk on FurryMuck, an interactive furry community on the Internet (telnet furry.org 8888 or see the web page at http://www.furry.com/), but we conduct our business on the Muck called Fluff (telnet acmelabs.com 8888: can't remember its web page). Essentially, we use a form of hypnosis in our lives to implant a command to go back under when we see a certain word (usually Latin: gotta respect the old tradition :) ) on the Mucks. We can do it with a computer program, which I recommend to anyone who is interested in hypnosis: ftp://hypnosis.com/pub/helper.* . (Note: just be careful with it on 486s. Its timing is off on them.) And after the word is said, we work to deepen them into hypnosis, and, hopefully, achieve transformation. I personally almost just like watching their subconscious...I mean, where else can you have the Lion King used to deepen someone's state? ;) (It happened, once. :) ) If you wish any information, please e-mail me...I'll respond to any questions. Of course, I prefer you talk to me on FurryMuck or Fluff...easier for me, I'm usually on weekdays around 9pm or so EDT... And please, I think you guys might find that you can transform with hypnosis. It just takes time and patience. -- Orelious ~[F:) @------------------------------------------------------------------------! | /__ \ =>:-> "If you're walking home beside her, | | / / / /_ And the sun should turn to blue, | | =>:~~~(^\^\^ (_:*) But you keep on going, 'cause you're unaware...| | (_____ _/ Then you know that you are there." | | ||\ || - Genesis, "Silver Rainbow" | | L_\ L_\ | | orelious@degas.icsi.net http://mss175.rh.psu.edu/~mogri/ | ~------------Orelious, the snugglehypnosisHMLerfurry Chimera-------------3 ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From orelious@ICSI.NetSun May 19 12:53:47 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:30:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Orelious Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re: First Story Attempt.. On Thu, 16 May 1996 Posti@aol.com wrote: > X-Working!-Archive_Url: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk > > "You are getting sleepy. Very sleepy....." > > ::grin:: > > Neat idea, and the writing was well done. Great job! One question - How are > the other people being affected? Or if they are not being affected, how come > they don't notice HIS fox ears? Or is all of this a mental transformation, > and nothing is really happening to him at all? > If it's hypnosis, and doesn't involve magic...it's purely in their mind...of course, the mind is a powerful tool...and sometimes knowing that it's there has a pleasure all its own... (Memory: giving a "snout" to a friend, and poking the air just in front of their nose..about two inches away, not enough to disturb anyone...and watching him flinch...) > Bob @------------------------------------------------------------------------! | /__ \ =>:-> "If you're walking home beside her, | | / / / /_ And the sun should turn to blue, | | =>:~~~(^\^\^ (_:*) But you keep on going, 'cause you're unaware...| | (_____ _/ Then you know that you are there." | | ||\ || - Genesis, "Silver Rainbow" | | L_\ L_\ | | orelious@degas.icsi.net http://mss175.rh.psu.edu/~mogri/ | ~------------Orelious, the snugglehypnosisHMLerfurry Chimera-------------3 ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From orelious@ICSI.NetSun May 19 12:53:51 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:33:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Orelious Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re: First Story Attempt.. On Thu, 16 May 1996, Packrat wrote: > Maybe I can explain. You see... in the hypnosis, we try to get the other > to visualize that. My first time I had it done to me, they did the tail to > me. I could honestly feel it, hear the rustle of the fur, but I couldn't > actually see it. Not only that I could feel it for about a day after that. Having been the one to give him the tail...I can only smile. :) > > We don't get to see what's going on in his mind. Although to get the body > to shape itse;f to what the mind perceives... that'd be a thrill. > > Well...there's the other thought: if you have a group of friends who see each other's "transformations" as they know them...well...that may be as cool as you can get until people start using *real* plastic surgery...;) @------------------------------------------------------------------------! | /__ \ =>:-> "If you're walking home beside her, | | / / / /_ And the sun should turn to blue, | | =>:~~~(^\^\^ (_:*) But you keep on going, 'cause you're unaware...| | (_____ _/ Then you know that you are there." | | ||\ || - Genesis, "Silver Rainbow" | | L_\ L_\ | | orelious@degas.icsi.net http://mss175.rh.psu.edu/~mogri/ | ~------------Orelious, the snugglehypnosisHMLerfurry Chimera-------------3 ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From orelious@ICSI.NetSun May 19 12:54:01 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:13:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Orelious Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa Subject: About Reality Slips... Okay...now I've read it...I'm sorry, he gave a better introduction than I did...;) Well, I'm a bit more on the technical side, on occasion, anyways... One note: generally, we don't tell other people's words publicly. We respect privacy...oh, and those words actually do correspond to people...though I don't think the two owners of those two mind much... You managed to do it, fEk? Why didn't you tell us before? :) @------------------------------------------------------------------------! | /__ \ =>:-> "If you're walking home beside her, | | / / / /_ And the sun should turn to blue, | | =>:~~~(^\^\^ (_:*) But you keep on going, 'cause you're unaware...| | (_____ _/ Then you know that you are there." | | ||\ || - Genesis, "Silver Rainbow" | | L_\ L_\ | | orelious@degas.icsi.net http://mss175.rh.psu.edu/~mogri/ | ~------------Orelious, the snugglehypnosisHMLerfurry Chimera-------------3 ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From orelious@ICSI.NetSun May 19 12:54:07 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 20:20:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Orelious Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa Subject: Re: About Reality Slips... On Thu, 16 May 1996, Orelious wrote: > You managed to do it, fEk? Why didn't you tell us before? :) > Sorry. Not fEk. Just thinking it was...*winks* Now...just a small continuation...and to answer a possible question: why if I, who has been here for, oh, a month, not said anything about this? The reason is: we're still in stages of learning about hypnosis. And we've found so far that it tends to be slow...and for some people, slow is very slow. I talk about myself, who prolly wants a tail more than most around here *grins*. I've been at it for about 4 months, on and off, and...oh, I have to digress to make a point. We've found that within each of us is a sort of subconscious landscape - a realm by which people can interact with themselves, so to speak. Things can be implanted there (though I'm beginning to see implantations don't work too well for the stuff we're doing - see Doonesbury lately, anyone?). For some people, it's harder to concentrate. And I just want to ask a question. Because my "realm" seems to be music, not images like the rest. Not just music...kind of the stuff I really enjoy, which tends to be '80s, American/British "synthpop" mixed in with a little New Age, and some other bands of the '80s and '90s. And...if I have to use music, it's going to have subconscious meanings, and I'd feel more comfortable if I could manage to get someone who knew what songs I was spouting. :) Just wondering if there's anyone out there who might help me... @------------------------------------------------------------------------! | /__ \ =>:-> "If you're walking home beside her, | | / / / /_ And the sun should turn to blue, | | =>:~~~(^\^\^ (_:*) But you keep on going, 'cause you're unaware...| | (_____ _/ Then you know that you are there." | | ||\ || - Genesis, "Silver Rainbow" | | L_\ L_\ | | orelious@degas.icsi.net http://mss175.rh.psu.edu/~mogri/ | ~------------Orelious, the snugglehypnosisHMLerfurry Chimera-------------3 ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From fron0004@gold.tc.umn.eduSun May 19 12:54:10 1996 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 17:38:03 +0000 From: Brian Fronczak Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Hypnosis... Hey....I read the mail about the hypnosis techniques. I would be REALLY interested in learning. However, I have a mac. Orelious! Check your mail! P.S....your web page is not working, you probably already know. Thanx! Brian Fronczak fron0004@gold.tc.umn.edu "Cyberspace is like chocolate. You love it, but it eventually makes you fat....." ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From fron0004@gold.tc.umn.eduSun May 19 12:54:13 1996 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:56:05 +0000 From: Brian Fronczak Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: The hypnosis.. Hey. I had sent an earlier message, but my computer crashed, and I wasn't sure that it got there. I am REALLY interested in learning about the hypnosis techniques that Packrat and Orelious have been experimenting with, and would like to be a guinney pig if possible. It' been a kind of dream of mine to feel what it would feel like to have a tail. My senior party is coming up (I'm 18), and there's going to be a Hypnotist there. Thanx! Brian Fronczak fron0004@gold.tc.umn.edu ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk From orelious@ICSI.NetSun May 19 19:51:16 1996 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:40:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Orelious Reply to: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at To: tsa-talk@netbase.t0.or.at Subject: Re:helper.exe On Sun, 19 May 1996, sfd wrote: > X-Working!-Archive_Url: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk > So, where does one get a copy of this 'helper.exe' hypnosis program? > > Seth > Orelious smiles...Sorry, you guys, I told you to try it and never told you where it was...the URL is: ftp://hypnosis.com/pub/helper.* This includes the doc file for it. However, there are problems with helper with 486s...if you have a turbo button, you'll have to turn it off. If not, try to get the 486slo.exe in the same directory as helper. (Helper ends up going way too fast, and isn't all the relaxing when beeping at you as if your computer's about to crash...:) ) @------------------------------------------------------------------------! | /__ \ =>:-> "If you're walking home beside her, | | / / / /_ And the sun should turn to blue, | | =>:~~~(^\^\^ (_:*) But you keep on going, 'cause you're unaware...| | (_____ _/ Then you know that you are there." | | ||\ || - Genesis, "Silver Rainbow" | | L_\ L_\ | | orelious@degas.icsi.net http://mss175.rh.psu.edu/~mogri/ | ~------------Orelious, the snugglehypnosisHMLerfurry Chimera-------------3 ------ The discussion list for the Transformation Story Archive --------- The TSA is at: http://www.t0.or.at/~thomash/tsa for help write to: tsa-talk-request@t0.or.at all administrative questions to: thomash@t0.or.at WWW-List-Archive at: http://www.t0.or.at/cgi-bin/thomash-lwgate/tsa-talk